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Another issue is going to be charging. Itís great and all this can potentially charge faster than a Tesla but where will the chargers be. What will the infrastructure be like?

If I had this car, could I drive to Boston and back as easily or better than when I did it in my Tesla?

Until thatís in place you canít ask 200k for a car like this Iím sorry.

correct me if i am wrong, but don't all EV cars have to take the same kind of charger, so in theory the Porsche(or any EV) could charge at a tesla station, but you would have to pay for what you used.
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correct me if i am wrong, but don't all EV cars have to take the same kind of charger, so in theory the Porsche(or any EV) could charge at a tesla station, but you would have to pay for what you used.


Nope. Tesla chargers are only for Tesla and they have the Tesla plug. When you plug in the car actually communicates with Tesla and it authorizes the charge and then starts.

Tesla cars have their own plug, but come with the standard adapter if needed for a charge point
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Yea with the superchargers you are not using the cars onboard charger, you are actually using the supercharged itself. My onboard charger can only do 48amps. The superchargers are well above that.
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Rofl starting at 150k. Way to stick it to Tesla lol.

I will admit interior looks nicer, but beyond that this isnít a threat. Not at that price.
is it intended to? seems more like they are going after greater luxury and prestige as well as driving abilities, not that most people use that, but people will compare track times of cars against eachother while never actually visiting a track. this thing can do under an 8 minute ring lap. what i'm also curious about is how well it does the second lap. if you are comparing it to a p100d, can that thing even complete a lap before overheating? it's not gonna be under 8 minutes...
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is it intended to? seems more like they are going after greater luxury and prestige as well as driving abilities, not that most people use that, but people will compare track times of cars against eachother while never actually visiting a track. this thing can do under an 8 minute ring lap. what i'm also curious about is how well it does the second lap. if you are comparing it to a p100d, can that thing even complete a lap before overheating? it's not gonna be under 8 minutes...
That's what I was getting at. Porsche nailed the exterior and interior, which is what you'd be paying a premium for. Tesla clearly wins on range and charging options.

I read an article months ago that Taycan production for the first year was sold out and that the majority of buyers were Tesla owners.
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Pretty sure if you’re buying this car but want to go on a long trip you’ll just take one of the various other cars you already have


Nobody is scraping up $150k+ to buy an only car for commuting.
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Pretty sure if youíre buying this car but want to go on a long trip youíll just take one of the various other cars you already have


Nobody is scraping up $150k+ to buy an only car for commuting.
Or just fly.
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Looks like the Model S will hit the ring next week now/.

Will definitely be interesting to see a comparison. To be fair the car was never marketed as a road race track car, but I still expect it to do well.

If it does beat the Porsche though...... oh man that will be a huge blow.

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Elon isn’t dumb. I would imagine they don’t have a production 18650 battery pack in this thing.
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My guess they will also turn off the power limited safety factors as well. Those are there to preserve battery Health and life for the general consumer.

Remove that and put in a model 3s battery chemistry pack and the S should easily beat the Porsche.

But again, thatís not production, itís software modified.
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Price is laughable, but, it looks better inside and out than any Tesla on the road. Just my opinion.
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My guess they will also turn off the power limited safety factors as well. Those are there to preserve battery Health and life for the general consumer.

Remove that and put in a model 3s battery chemistry pack and the S should easily beat the Porsche.

But again, thatís not production, itís software modified.
I remember seeing a video that engineers used data for on-track performance with the Model 3 to improve handling, power delivery, and so on. By the end of the day, they had the thing handling way better. Leading to the performance variant. Playing with how the motors deliver power helps corner exit traction and speed. Playing with how the motors drive the wheels can help rotate the car on turn-in. I am sure they learned a lot and could easily apply these techniques to the Model S.

I also heard that the Model S couldn't even complete laps at VIR without it going into limp mode. So they have been out testing. If they are committing to driving at The Ring you can bet they are confident they can run well there. Time will tell...
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Looks like the Model S will hit the ring next week now/.

Will definitely be interesting to see a comparison. To be fair the car was never marketed as a road race track car, but I still expect it to do well.

If it does beat the Porsche though...... oh man that will be a huge blow.

I'm guessing the time will be slow. C&D has tested the S at VIR during the Lightning Lap and it couldn't even finish the lap without going into low power. The Nurburgring is a lot longer and more grueling.
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The problem with the S is that it literally doesn’t have the same battery as the 3. The 3 uses a different chemistry, larger 21700 battery that has a higher C rate and much much better cooling. The Raven supposedly has better cooling but it still uses 18650 batteries. I’m sticking to this being a custom battery pack for this one model S just to beat the Porsche.
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y'all sound overly confident to me with a battery chemistry swap taking this thing to moar fastars than the porsche. perhaps i will be shown wrong, but i am highly skeptical they will best it.
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y'all sound overly confident to me with a battery chemistry swap taking this thing to moar fastars than the porsche. perhaps i will be shown wrong, but i am highly skeptical they will best it.


The performance model should surpass the Porsche in acceleration. If they remove the battery saving safety features which will allow it to keep its max power longer, I think it will have a pretty decent shot. Elon wouldnít have brought the S out there if they already hadnít run some data to show it would be competitive.

Honestly they donít have anything to prove. The S was never marketed as such a car, nor do Ring times translate to anything real world.
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The performance model should surpass the Porsche in acceleration. If they remove the battery saving safety features which will allow it to keep its max power longer, I think it will have a pretty decent shot. Elon wouldnít have brought the S out there if they already hadnít run some data to show it would be competitive.
yeah, but the ring is also about braking and turning and accelerations from all sorts of speeds. you seem to be taking a 0-60 or 1/4 mile and extrapolating that out/reducing the ring to "just a long straight where tesla needs to keep up max power"

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i mean, they kinda do for porsche drivers...
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y'all sound overly confident to me with a battery chemistry swap taking this thing to moar fastars than the porsche. perhaps i will be shown wrong, but i am highly skeptical they will best it.
Chemistry, possible custom pack with the physically larger 21700 cells, custom high performance cooling system, and of course custom software to both maximize cooling and not go into limp mode.

Tesla has no doubt run simulations to ensure itíll make it around the ring.
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make it around the ring is one thing, make it around the ring in a sub 7:42 is another.
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I'm guessing the time will be slow. C&D has tested the S at VIR during the Lightning Lap and it couldn't even finish the lap without going into low power. The Nurburgring is a lot longer and more grueling.
That car was a 2014 or 2016 model iirc. One important thing to remember is that Teslas donít have ďmodel yearsĒ. Besides requiring a model year designation for the VIN the cars are constantly updated every week so a car built a week ago compared to today could have multiple different parts and assembly methods. We know the Raven update included a new M3 based Permanent Magnet front motor (compared to the ac induction rear motor), active suspension, and improved battery cooling so that alone could mean those older car tests are no longer accurate.
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make it around the ring is one thing, make it around the ring in a sub 7:42 is another.
Well itís already faster in a straight line, so the new suspension and whatever tires they decide to run will be the real deciding factor
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That car was a 2014 or 2016 model iirc. One important thing to remember is that Teslas donít have ďmodel yearsĒ. Besides requiring a model year designation for the VIN the cars are constantly updated every week so a car built a week ago compared to today could have multiple different parts and assembly methods. We know the Raven update included a new M3 based Permanent Magnet front motor (compared to the ac induction rear motor), active suspension, and improved battery cooling so that alone could mean those older car tests are no longer accurate.


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true, which is also why minivans these days womp my brz around a... oh wait i shit all over them on something like a road course. there's a whole lot going on here and i don't think a tire swap is gonna do 'er. although they should actually note what tires the porsche ran and the s will run.

interested to see a best current effort and my understanding is they actually have shipped a car there. i don't think it's unpossible to beat the taycan but my money's defo on the porsche
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